Comments on: Climate Action in 2010 http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/ Australia's eyes and ears in Copenhagen... Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:41:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Michael Norris http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-438 Michael Norris Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:41:13 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-438 Essentials for 2010 (from an oldie): 1) recognise that this crisis needs mobilisation as for war. World War 2 was horrible but huge technological and social advances were made in just 5 years. 2) recognise that, as in the run-up to World War 2, politicians will try to appease the enemy. The British Prime Minister proclaimed "peace in our time" in 1938 after he allowed Hitler to take over the Sudetenland. It didn't stop him but did delay British preparations for reality. The Australian CPRS - and what is going on in the USA, Canada and China - are attempts to appease vested interests in climate pollution. They will not stop are until they are stopped. That means lobbying the right people. 3) recognise the sceptics are out there actively lobbying. They are speaking to leading elders and opinion-formers at local Probus and similar clubs, they are speaking to businesses. Preaching to the converted is not enough. Essentials for 2010 (from an oldie):

1) recognise that this crisis needs mobilisation as for war. World War 2 was horrible but huge technological and social advances were made in just 5 years.

2) recognise that, as in the run-up to World War 2, politicians will try to appease the enemy. The British Prime Minister proclaimed “peace in our time” in 1938 after he allowed Hitler to take over the Sudetenland. It didn’t stop him but did delay British preparations for reality.
The Australian CPRS – and what is going on in the USA, Canada and China – are attempts to appease vested interests in climate pollution. They will not stop are until they are stopped. That means lobbying the right people.

3) recognise the sceptics are out there actively lobbying. They are speaking to leading elders and opinion-formers at local Probus and similar clubs, they are speaking to businesses. Preaching to the converted is not enough.

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By: Jason http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-437 Jason Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:23:54 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-437 Hi Mike Yes I do wonder what it’s carbon footprint might be, but i was not speaking solely of the direct carbon footprint it generated whilst in production ( i was commenting on the expensive 3D technology used in its creation.) I was speaking more generally of the carbon emitted by all those screenings, in all the cinemas, in the 62 counties in which it is slated for release. All those bright lights burning, all that popcorn being popped, all that soft drink being refrigerated, in all those thousands of cinemas world wide, with not a solar panel or wind turbine used in the powering of any of it. I also just wanted to say as far as Miranda Devine and Greg Sheridan are concerned , i mean come on who the heck are they??? Journo's employed to sell dying Newspapers, surely we can find better ways to be informed of what's going on in the world around us? Hi Mike
Yes I do wonder what it’s carbon footprint might be, but i was not speaking solely of the direct carbon footprint it generated whilst in production ( i was commenting on the expensive 3D technology used in its creation.)
I was speaking more generally of the carbon emitted by all those screenings, in all the cinemas, in the 62 counties in which it is slated for release.

All those bright lights burning, all that popcorn being popped, all that soft drink being refrigerated, in all those thousands of cinemas world wide, with not a solar panel or wind turbine used in the powering of any of it.

I also just wanted to say as far as Miranda Devine and Greg Sheridan are concerned , i mean come on who the heck are they???
Journo’s employed to sell dying Newspapers, surely we can find better ways to be informed of what’s going on in the world around us?

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By: Amela http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-436 Amela Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:24:32 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-436 Thanks for recommending the 1millionwomen.com.au I joined, and even I am doing so many things already it is nice to know that you are actually saving and can do even more. Thanks again and take care. Thanks for recommending the 1millionwomen.com.au
I joined, and even I am doing so many things already it is nice to know that you are actually saving and can do even more.

Thanks again and take care.

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By: Amela http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-435 Amela Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:36:17 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-435 To answer your depresive views and maybe help you to get out of it please read coment of Cass Rea on December 27, 2009 (10:15pm) I hate when people are talking about giving up. Simply DON"T. There is hope ALWAYS. If I crossed the line I appologise. To answer your depresive views and maybe help you to get out of it please read coment of Cass Rea on December 27, 2009 (10:15pm)

I hate when people are talking about giving up. Simply DON”T. There is hope ALWAYS.

If I crossed the line I appologise.

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By: Amela http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-434 Amela Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:30:39 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-434 I agree completely. My ‘NO JUNK MAIL’ sign was taken of but I actually wrote with permanent marker and refresh it occasionally. I also wrote letters to the companies whose catalogues I found in my letter box asking to respect my property and wishes displayed, and believe it or not it worked. I still get some on occasion but much more less than before. However, that helps me personally but not environment. I like your suggestions regarding Council websites, so if something could be done I am all for it. However, there are still many households that do not have computers not to mention internet service (especially elderly and elderly migrants). I agree completely.

My ‘NO JUNK MAIL’ sign was taken of but I actually wrote with permanent marker and refresh it occasionally. I also wrote letters to the companies whose catalogues I found in my letter box asking to respect my property and wishes displayed, and believe it or not it worked. I still get some on occasion but much more less than before.

However, that helps me personally but not environment.

I like your suggestions regarding Council websites, so if something could be done I am all for it. However, there are still many households that do not have computers not to mention internet service (especially elderly and elderly migrants).

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By: Amela http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-433 Amela Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:15:27 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-433 All was nice said until you could not help showing your ignorance. Maniacs do not have religion, race, sex or economic status. Those who bomb things are maniacs but let’s be realistic just recent trend placed idiots in Islamic countries in front. What about past millennium? Heard of IRA? Remember what was happening with Cubans, and do not forget Americans (Oklahoma bombing), and other maniacs mostly in developed countries who bombs their high schools, etc. I would not even try to provide a few most likely version of September 11. So, please it seems you have some intelligent points to make, do not spoil it with ridiculous stereotyping known to less knowledgeable, intelligent people, please. All was nice said until you could not help showing your ignorance.

Maniacs do not have religion, race, sex or economic status.

Those who bomb things are maniacs but let’s be realistic just recent trend placed idiots in Islamic countries in front.
What about past millennium? Heard of IRA? Remember what was happening with Cubans, and do not forget Americans (Oklahoma bombing), and other maniacs mostly in developed countries who bombs their high schools, etc. I would not even try to provide a few most likely version of September 11.

So, please it seems you have some intelligent points to make, do not spoil it with ridiculous stereotyping known to less knowledgeable, intelligent people, please.

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By: Amela http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-432 Amela Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:46:48 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-432 I just simply had to respond. Thank you Jason, you are miracle! That will shut up those who like to discuss topics with their own pathetic prejudices' without actually taking an effort to find real facts and information so they can intelligently participate in the grown up's discussions. I am so ‘jealous’ of your knowledge and wits. It is pleasure to read your responses to ignorant comments of some. I just simply had to respond.
Thank you Jason, you are miracle!

That will shut up those who like to discuss topics with their own pathetic prejudices’ without actually taking an effort to find real facts and information so they can intelligently participate in the grown up’s discussions.

I am so ‘jealous’ of your knowledge and wits. It is pleasure to read your responses to ignorant comments of some.

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By: Nicola Woodward http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-429 Nicola Woodward Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:36:33 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-429 here here! here here!

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By: Nicola Woodward http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-428 Nicola Woodward Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:35:44 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-428 well i had this idea that instead of waiting for the government to do stuff we could just do it ourselves. i mean does anyone know if its possible to just build a solar farm and then say to the government "here you go now connect it to the grid please" or go to hazelwood and say "heres a lot of money that we've raised can you switch to black coal". i mean is that possible........ i even had an idea for a really cool name: The Actual Government sorry i dont have any inspirational qoutes but i find that sometimes they just take up space. also sorry for the bad grammar and punctuation french keyboards are really confusing! well i had this idea that instead of waiting for the government to do stuff we could just do it ourselves. i mean does anyone know if its possible to just build a solar farm and then say to the government “here you go now connect it to the grid please” or go to hazelwood and say “heres a lot of money that we’ve raised can you switch to black coal”. i mean is that possible…….. i even had an idea for a really cool name: The Actual Government

sorry i dont have any inspirational qoutes but i find that sometimes they just take up space. also sorry for the bad grammar and punctuation french keyboards are really confusing!

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By: mike rubbo http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-425 mike rubbo Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:37:58 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-425 Jason, of course Avatar is fiction. But fiction is always going to be made and I would rather it be fiction with that message, than the usual consumption urging stuff. I didn't notice a single product placement You wonder what it's carbon footprint in the making might be. Perhaps not as much as one thinks because all that action, and destruction of nature on the screen, was hand painted frame by frame. It was not done by moving large crews vaste distances, brning lots of oil, as would be the usual way of making an epic. lastly, the fact that the movie has both Miranda Devine and Greg Sheridan spitting chips, speaks in its favor. Jason, of course Avatar is fiction. But fiction is always going to be made and I would rather it be fiction with that message, than the usual consumption urging stuff. I didn’t notice a single product placement

You wonder what it’s carbon footprint in the making might be. Perhaps not as much as one thinks because all that action, and destruction of nature on the screen, was hand painted frame by frame.

It was not done by moving large crews vaste distances, brning lots of oil, as would be the usual way of making an epic.

lastly, the fact that the movie has both Miranda Devine and Greg Sheridan spitting chips, speaks in its favor.

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By: josef http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-422 josef Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:55:27 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-422 Yes Jason, AVATAR is a fiction. It is a Hollywood film and no doubt it created a relatively large carbon footprint to create it. However, because something is a 'fiction' should not be the basis for dismissing its potential positive (or negative) impact. Art, in this case story-telling, has always been a powerful motivator throughout the ages. To my way of thinking, the fact that so many people ARE talking about AVATAR and arguing about its message already confers on it a degree of legitimacy and tells us that its message has struck a popular chord. What the politically minded choose to do with the momentuum that it has stirred will be interesting. Many of my thoughts, ideas and passions, particularly when I was younger, were stirred by hearing stories, whether they were told to me in oral form, read myself or at the cinema. I think it is a foolishness to dismiss anything that comes from Hollywood simply because it comes from Hollywood. For all its many arguable faults, Hollywood is the probably the world's current leader in producing human fantasy in all its many diverse forms. What comes out and becomes successful (and fails) tells us a great deal about who we are and for what we yearn, though we may not always see clearly the consequences of that yearning. Though we may start to dream as children, it is not childish to dream. AVATAR does have an important message and though its style may not get us all in (I know I'm a little too old for its too-overt message), I know that were I 17 again or even 27 perhaps and saw that film it would have made a huge impression on me and become part of a driving force to learn more about how to live in better co-habitation on our planet Earth. Finally, an initial large carbon footprint is likely going to be an inevitable part of changing systems. Were AVATAR to become a focal film for people around the world, spurring them on to create a more sustainable existence then the films initial footprint will be seen as worth it. If AVATAR is as succesful both critically and commercially as it seems to be, the smart thing to do would be to get in front of its momentuum and use it for all we can. Thanks for the posts. Yes Jason, AVATAR is a fiction. It is a Hollywood film and no doubt it created a relatively large carbon footprint to create it. However, because something is a ‘fiction’ should not be the basis for dismissing its potential positive (or negative) impact. Art, in this case story-telling, has always been a powerful motivator throughout the ages.

To my way of thinking, the fact that so many people ARE talking about AVATAR and arguing about its message already confers on it a degree of legitimacy and tells us that its message has struck a popular chord. What the politically minded choose to do with the momentuum that it has stirred will be interesting.

Many of my thoughts, ideas and passions, particularly when I was younger, were stirred by hearing stories, whether they were told to me in oral form, read myself or at the cinema. I think it is a foolishness to dismiss anything that comes from Hollywood simply because it comes from Hollywood. For all its many arguable faults, Hollywood is the probably the world’s current leader in producing human fantasy in all its many diverse forms. What comes out and becomes successful (and fails) tells us a great deal about who we are and for what we yearn, though we may not always see clearly the consequences of that yearning.

Though we may start to dream as children, it is not childish to dream.

AVATAR does have an important message and though its style may not get us all in (I know I’m a little too old for its too-overt message), I know that were I 17 again or even 27 perhaps and saw that film it would have made a huge impression on me and become part of a driving force to learn more about how to live in better co-habitation on our planet Earth.

Finally, an initial large carbon footprint is likely going to be an inevitable part of changing systems. Were AVATAR to become a focal film for people around the world, spurring them on to create a more sustainable existence then the films initial footprint will be seen as worth it.

If AVATAR is as succesful both critically and commercially as it seems to be, the smart thing to do would be to get in front of its momentuum and use it for all we can.

Thanks for the posts.

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By: Lisa Dew http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-420 Lisa Dew Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:16:23 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-420 'We have exactly enough time-starting now' - Dane Meadows, Dartmouth College of environmentalism. We all need to start embracing our collective future, we all have a responsibility and should begin to look forward with the vision that there are a great number of opportunities currently disguised as insolvable problems. Remembering that politicians will follow the voters. ‘We have exactly enough time-starting now’ – Dane Meadows, Dartmouth College of environmentalism.

We all need to start embracing our collective future, we all have a responsibility and should begin to look forward with the vision that there are a great number of opportunities currently disguised as insolvable problems.

Remembering that politicians will follow the voters.

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By: Marian F McDuie http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-419 Marian F McDuie Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:08:57 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-419 We the people need to get our collective act together, there is a lot of us out there that know what needs to be done, we can have conversations with friends and family, take on the skeptics with sound scientific evidence and then make it clear that to take action is the only way forward. consider the alternative...we have everything to lose, and yet we can only gain if we reduce our energy demands, demand better products, demand better government, and work together, let's GET UP and GET GOING, we cannot wait for authorities as they will only act once they are confronted with a crisis, or a massive tidal wave of public pressure, let's apply the public pressure. There are some fantastic ideas floating around in these comments, I particularly like the idea of a Renewable Energy Fund alternative fund for Superannuation investment, keep up the good work and lets get out there and do it. We the people need to get our collective act together, there is a lot of us out there that know what needs to be done, we can have conversations with friends and family, take on the skeptics with sound scientific evidence and then make it clear that to take action is the only way forward. consider the alternative…we have everything to lose, and yet we can only gain if we reduce our energy demands, demand better products, demand better government, and work together, let’s GET UP and GET GOING, we cannot wait for authorities as they will only act once they are confronted with a crisis, or a massive tidal wave of public pressure, let’s apply the public pressure. There are some fantastic ideas floating around in these comments, I particularly like the idea of a Renewable Energy Fund alternative fund for Superannuation investment, keep up the good work and lets get out there and do it.

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By: Ali http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-416 Ali Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:31:41 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-416 With an election due this year, we all need to get involved in planning for the highest profile GetUp has yet presented; we must learn how to present the facts both passionately and accurately to the widest possible audience; if the major parties aren't going to get serious about climate change, we must provide a strong voice to those who really want to bite the bullet and make the necessary changes in public and private climate behaviour. With an election due this year, we all need to get involved in planning for the highest profile GetUp has yet presented; we must learn how to present the facts both passionately and accurately to the widest possible audience; if the major parties aren’t going to get serious about climate change, we must provide a strong voice to those who really want to bite the bullet and make the necessary changes in public and private climate behaviour.

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By: Jason http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-414 Jason Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:04:39 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-414 A rude comment lol, Mike what you got was actually the edited version. I do want to offer an apology to you Mike , my comment was made out of frustration with an issue that has drawn so much of the public purse away from Health and Education. But after the Avatar comments i see that you really do live in fantasy land. So i think i might just save my breath. In case you missed it, i will say it again- *** AVATAR IS A PIECE OF FICTION*** A clever ploy to part you from the contents of your wallet, NOTHING more, your comments about moving ideas and connecting with the plant world are again pieces of fiction. I will also note, that James Cameron has chosen to impart this piece of fiction, by utilising the most expensive technology he can muster, in order to dupe the public into feeding money to the companies for which he works, One does wonder at the carbon footprint that has been generated by this one movie alone. Hollywood will never save the planet, it relies on exploiting it way to much. A rude comment lol, Mike what you got was actually the edited version.
I do want to offer an apology to you Mike , my comment was made out of frustration with an issue that has drawn so much of the public purse away from Health and Education.
But after the Avatar comments i see that you really do live in fantasy land.
So i think i might just save my breath.

In case you missed it, i will say it again-

*** AVATAR IS A PIECE OF FICTION***

A clever ploy to part you from the contents of your wallet, NOTHING more, your comments about moving ideas and connecting with the plant world are again pieces of fiction.

I will also note, that James Cameron has chosen to impart this piece of fiction, by utilising the most expensive technology he can muster, in order to dupe the public into feeding money to the companies for which he works, One does wonder at the carbon footprint that has been generated by this one movie alone.

Hollywood will never save the planet, it relies on exploiting it way to much.

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By: Jill http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-413 Jill Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:53:18 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-413 Join www.1millionwomen.com.au - or if you are a bloke what about starting a 1 million men campaign? Join http://www.1millionwomen.com.au – or if you are a bloke what about starting a 1 million men campaign?

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By: fran http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-412 fran Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:20:35 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-412 I agree with all the above comments - ACTION Suggest the above video becomes a TV clip and target all time slots to get the message to all Australians - as a nation we need constant reminding - the tendency to slip into apathy is very Australian I agree with all the above comments – ACTION

Suggest the above video becomes a TV clip and target all time slots to get the message to all Australians – as a nation we need constant reminding – the tendency to slip into apathy is very Australian

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By: Susan http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-411 Susan Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:17:41 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-411 While climate change will not be adequately addressed without structural change instituted by government and industry, it is becoming increasingly apparent the necessary leadership will not tanspire unless decisively demanded by voters and consumers. Studies show that, when confronted with any major challenge, humans will respond as follows: 50% will deny the problem; 25% will acknowledge but leave for others to address; and 25% will take personal action. It is the latter cohort that must be mobilised not only to take appropriate personal and political action, but to attempt to enlist those who care but are not motivated to act. It would require a massive public education campaign, probably delivered on a one to one basis by armies of dedicated and trained volunteers, with plenty of follow up activity. It would convey the facts which politicians find too scary to utter. Yes, it would be tedious and resource intensive but a demonstration of passionate commitment from a large chunk of the populace would seem to be the next move in this chess game of survival. While climate change will not be adequately addressed without structural change instituted by government and industry, it is becoming increasingly apparent the necessary leadership will not tanspire unless decisively demanded by voters and consumers. Studies show that, when confronted with any major challenge, humans will respond as follows: 50% will deny the problem; 25% will acknowledge but leave for others to address; and 25% will take personal action. It is the latter cohort that must be mobilised not only to take appropriate personal and political action, but to attempt to enlist those who care but are not motivated to act. It would require a massive public education campaign, probably delivered on a one to one basis by armies of dedicated and trained volunteers, with plenty of follow up activity. It would convey the facts which politicians find too scary to utter. Yes, it would be tedious and resource intensive but a demonstration of passionate commitment from a large chunk of the populace would seem to be the next move in this chess game of survival.

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By: mike rubbo http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-410 mike rubbo Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:54:32 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-410 It has been very interesting being plugged into this discussion. Have you seen Avatar? It is really a very powerful statement about how we have trashed our world, for though set in space, it's all cleverly allegorical. I did not expect to like it, but so many touches are genuine, heartfelt really moving ideas about how we might connect with the plant world, that I was quite won over, and am delighted that my daughter's generation are rushing to see it. (she's 17) I feel it could be very important at this moment as a wake up call for the young. On another matter, I am disappointed that my several comments about how bikes can help, personal car transport is a big part of our green house problem, do not seem to resonate on this thread. Everyone agrees we must act as responsible individuals, but few can see bikes playing any real part, or if they do, they are very quiet about it, and yet they do elsewhere. Why? The only direct feedback I got was a rude comment, one of the very few here. Perhaps Australians of the sensibility of those who post here, just cant imagine themselves on bikes as transport. Isn't that true? This is for two reasons, I suspect . Firstly, all the oxygen around cycling is being consumed by the sport and leisure cycling gang, the people in Lycra who dominate Australian cycling even as they yell; "Share the damn road!" Nothing wrong with sport and leisure riding in itself, but it does crowd out what we need, which is people on stately European bikes, going comfortably from A to B. Maybe that image does no lodge because you never see it here. No bike shop will encourage you to purchase such a bike if they have them in stock , which is unlikely. All of which is why I've put together a short movie called: The waltz of the Bikes. It's people, unaware of the camera, going about their business in Amsterdam on a sunny day on sit-up bikes Set to music, it becomes a ballet. There is no expensive bike infrastructure visible here, though Holland of course has that in spades, 29,000 kms. of bike ways, in fact. No, the ballet works because the traffic is slow and people are riding the right sort of bikes, regally upright, their heads far higher than a car, even than a SUV. They look and feel safe because that society has decided it will be that way, and lined up their carrots and sticks to make it happen. We could do the same of we chose to. Have a look, experimentally , and see if this film helps you visualize yourself on a bike, Australians on bikes all over the place, and maybe as well, discover what your personal block is. The film is on my blog; http://situp-cycle.com. and is called; The Waltz of the Bikes. Do let me know if you have any insights on blocks to bikes as transport, both here and on the blog itself. That is a future movie topic. It will be a great help. Mike Rubbo It has been very interesting being plugged into this discussion.

Have you seen Avatar? It is really a very powerful statement about how we have trashed our world, for though set in space, it’s all cleverly allegorical.

I did not expect to like it, but so many touches are genuine, heartfelt really moving ideas about how we might connect with the plant world, that I was quite won over, and am delighted that my daughter’s generation are rushing to see it. (she’s 17) I feel it could be very important at this moment as a wake up call for the young.

On another matter, I am disappointed that my several comments about how bikes can help, personal car transport is a big part of our green house problem, do not seem to resonate on this thread.

Everyone agrees we must act as responsible individuals, but few can see bikes playing any real part, or if they do, they are very quiet about it, and yet they do elsewhere. Why? The only direct feedback I got was a rude comment, one of the very few here.

Perhaps Australians of the sensibility of those who post here, just cant imagine themselves on bikes as transport. Isn’t that true?

This is for two reasons, I suspect . Firstly, all the oxygen around cycling is being consumed by the sport and leisure cycling gang, the people in Lycra who dominate Australian cycling even as they yell; “Share the damn road!”

Nothing wrong with sport and leisure riding in itself, but it does crowd out what we need, which is people on stately European bikes, going comfortably from A to B.

Maybe that image does no lodge because you never see it here. No bike shop will encourage you to purchase such a bike if they have them in stock , which is unlikely. All of which is why I’ve put together a short movie called: The waltz of the Bikes.

It’s people, unaware of the camera, going about their business in Amsterdam on a sunny day on sit-up bikes Set to music, it becomes a ballet.

There is no expensive bike infrastructure visible here, though Holland of course has that in spades, 29,000 kms. of bike ways, in fact.

No, the ballet works because the traffic is slow and people are riding the right sort of bikes, regally upright, their heads far higher than a car, even than a SUV.

They look and feel safe because that society has decided it will be that way, and lined up their carrots and sticks to make it happen. We could do the same of we chose to.

Have a look, experimentally , and see if this film helps you visualize yourself on a bike, Australians on bikes all over the place, and maybe as well, discover what your personal block is.

The film is on my blog; http://situp-cycle.com. and is called; The Waltz of the Bikes.

Do let me know if you have any insights on blocks to bikes as transport, both here and on the blog itself. That is a future movie topic. It will be a great help. Mike Rubbo

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By: Philip Machanick http://coptv.getup.org.au/2009/12/24/climate-action-in-2010/comment-page-3/#comment-409 Philip Machanick Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:41:39 +0000 http://coptv.getup.org.au/?p=461#comment-409 The big issue being widely ignored is the need to move fast to renewable energy as a POSITIVE step not as a cost. There will be short-term cost, but that will be nothing compared with not only the costs of climate change but the ongoing cost of extracting fossil fuels. Whether peak oil theory is accurate in predicting a near-future end of cheap oil (check the latest price), how much cost has there been in wars, economic crises and degraded environment caused by the oil industry alone? Sooner or later we will burn through all the available fossil fuels and have to develop alternatives. It would be far less disruptive to the world economy to phase these alternatives in slowly rather than wait for a crisis. The threat to the biosphere of global warming means we need to apply ourselves with greater urgency to this task. If it's impossible or ruinously expensive, we're all screwed in the long run anyway. From what I understand of the problem, it's neither. But we will need to do some serious R&D to fill the gaps, and the fossil fuel industry is selfishly employing lobbyists and seeding fake grass roots movements in the style of tobacco denial to delay the inevitable. The big issue being widely ignored is the need to move fast to renewable energy as a POSITIVE step not as a cost. There will be short-term cost, but that will be nothing compared with not only the costs of climate change but the ongoing cost of extracting fossil fuels. Whether peak oil theory is accurate in predicting a near-future end of cheap oil (check the latest price), how much cost has there been in wars, economic crises and degraded environment caused by the oil industry alone?

Sooner or later we will burn through all the available fossil fuels and have to develop alternatives. It would be far less disruptive to the world economy to phase these alternatives in slowly rather than wait for a crisis. The threat to the biosphere of global warming means we need to apply ourselves with greater urgency to this task. If it’s impossible or ruinously expensive, we’re all screwed in the long run anyway. From what I understand of the problem, it’s neither. But we will need to do some serious R&D to fill the gaps, and the fossil fuel industry is selfishly employing lobbyists and seeding fake grass roots movements in the style of tobacco denial to delay the inevitable.

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